ANALYSIS, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS, AND OTHER OBSERVATIONS IN PROF. SKOSPLES' ECONOMIC SYSTEMS COURSE AT OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY
Monday, November 10, 2008
Agency Predicts a Return of Triple-Digit Oil Prices
Published: November 6, 2008
The global economic slump that has curbed energy demand and pushed oil prices down in recent months may provide only a short-lived respite for consumers, according to the world’s top energy forecaster.
Demand for a Say on a Way Out of Crisis
A gathering of the Group of 20 over the weekend revealed a desire among developing countries to have a greater voice in helping the world navigate its way out of the financial crisis.
Working Poor and Young Hit Hard in Downturn
Labor experts say the hardships of the gathering recession will hurt the working poor and younger job seekers most.
The Hedonistic Paradox: Is Homo Economicus Happier?
It explores the idea that more altruistic people are happier than people who are greedy. It states that homo economicus -- someone who seeks happiness for him- or herself -- will not find it, but the person who helps others will.
The authors conclude that "The results of this and other studies raise the question of whether greater attention should be paid to the potential benefits (beyond solely the material ones) of policies that promote charitable donations, volunteerism, service education, and, more generally, community involvement, political action, and social institutions that foster psychological well-being."
A Model for Future Mortgage Finance in the U.S. by Ben Bernanke
He discusses the mortgage securtization process, how it has affected the current financial crisis and how can the model be evolved in the future.
The Future of Mortgage Finance in the United States
Chairman Ben S. Bernanke
At the UC Berkeley/UCLA Symposium: The Mortgage Meltdown, the Economy, and Public Policy, Berkeley, California
October 31, 2008
Consumer spending continues to slow down after AIG bail-out!
There are growing signs that the deepening economic slowdown has caused Americans to cut back on their spending budget. There was fresh evidence of this past week when retailers posted the worst October same-store sales in 35 years -- and analysts believe the upcoming holiday shopping season could be among the slowest in decades.
With consumer spending driving more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy, investors will be paying close attention to earnings outlooks for some of the nation's biggest retailers. Wal-Mart, the nation's biggest retail chain, will post results on Thursday. Kohl's Corp., JCPenney Co., Macy's Inc., and Abercrombie & Fitch Co. are scheduled to release reports as well.
Wall Street had enjoyed its biggest Election Day rally in history last Tuesday, but could not cling to those gains. This was followed by a two-day loss of about 10 percent in the major indexes, including a 929-point drop in the Dow, as investors turned their focus once more to the economy's woes.
Additionally, investors are watching for developments with General Motors Corp., Chrysler and Ford Motor Co. after the automakers met with Congressional leaders last week to secure financial help.
Democratic leaders in Congress asked the Bush administration on Saturday to provide more aid to the struggling auto industry, which is bleeding cash and jobs as sales have dropped to their lowest level in a quarter-century. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson that the administration should consider expanding the $700 billion bailout to include car companies.
It looks like everyone is gonna get bailed out these days. But when will we start seeing its effects on the market?
Is it time to resort to fiscal policies?
Developing economies: growth rate of 5.1%, which is a full point lower than the October prediction. This is due to falling commodity prices. While that has helped ease the inflation burden on rich countries, it is hurting commodity exporters. The IMF lowered its 2009 baseline oil price projection to $68 per barrel from $100, and noted that prices had also fallen for metals and food.
The IMF warned that conditions could get even worse as financial firms reduce their debt, investors brace for rising corporate defaults, and consumers cut back on spending.
IMF chief economist Olivier Blanchard said the IMF's downward growth revisions for most economies was based on a sharper-than-expected fall in demand in advanced countries and worsening credit conditions in emerging market economies. He believes that there is little room left in some counties to further cut interest rates, and that we should resort to employing expansionary fiscal policies (that is, lowering taxes and/or increasing government spending)
But taxes -- necessary as they are -- can distort private decisions, create misallocations of resources and generate dead weight losses. Tax systems can be more or less distortive for two reasons: either because they extract more or less resources from private agents (the tax level), or because they raise a given amount of revenue in more or less distortive ways (the tax structure).
For different countries to consider reforms to their tax systems, identifying the growth implications of different tax instruments is useful for policy design, regardless of whether or not they identify a change to the overall level of taxes. Another reason for focusing on tax structures rather than the overall tax burden is that the overall level of taxes reflects societal choices over the size of the public sector, while the tax structure is the first tool to implement these choices. Governments may consider changes to the structure of taxes in order to minimize the negative consequences for growth, while maintaining the desired level of public goods and services provided.
If a fiscal policy is, infact to be imposed, it will be challenging to figure out how to plan this policy, and what will the effects of its implementation be.
China's stimulus plan's effects on Asian stock markets
China announced Sunday a massive stimulus package in hopes of keeping economic growth from falling too fast. Demand from the U.S. and the country's other vital export markets has been waning as the global financial crisis takes an economic toll.
China's economic growth slowed to 9 percent in the third quarter, the lowest level in five years and a sharp decline from 11.9 percent the year before-- perilously low for a government that needs to create jobs for millions of new workers and for other Asian countries that have come to depend heavily on Chinese demand.
"The global economy is in trouble and Chinese authorities understand that they can't wait anymore ... They're aware that exports next year will be terrible given the weakening economies in the U.S. and Europe," said Winson Fong, a Hong Kong-based managing director at SG Asset Management, which oversees about $3 billion in equities in Asia.
"This has been overdue," he said. "Investors in mainland China have been waiting for a complete rescue package since the beginning of the year."
China's announcement came as economic officials from 20 leading nations called Sunday for increased government spending to boost the troubled global economy.
In my opinion, this stimulus package sure does give China some hopes but what this decision can do to their economy is still in the mist. My concern is what if the global demand stay at the same level or even fall lower next year while China is producing more and more goods (because of the stimulus package) ?
Sunday, November 9, 2008
How to Solve the Problem of the Dollar
Such a system was created in 1978-80 to increase monetary stability in the world. Infact, $34 billion of the money still exists.
According to this system, instead of converting dollars into other currencies through the market, unwanted holdings ed could be depositin a special account at the IMF. They would be credited with a like amount of SDR (or SDR-denominated certificates), which they could use to finance future balance-of-payment deficits and other legitimate needs, redeem at the account itself or transfer to other participants. Hence the asset would be fully liquid.
The fund’s members would authorize it to meet the demand by issuing as many new SDR as needed, which would have no net impact on the global money supply (and hence on world growth or inflation) because the operation would substitute one asset for another. The account would invest the dollar deposits in US securities. If additional backing were deemed necessary, the fund’s gold holdings of $80 billion would more than suffice.
All countries would benefit. Those with dollars that they deem excessive would receive an asset denominated in a basket of currencies (44 percent dollars, 34 percent euros, 11 percent each yen and sterling), achieving in a single stroke the diversification they seek along with market-based yields. They would avoid depressing the dollar excessively, minimizing the loss on their remaining dollar holdings as well as avoiding systemic disruption.
The United States would be spared the risk of higher inflation and potentially much higher interest rates that would stem from an even sharper decline of the dollar. Such consequences would be especially unwelcome today with the prospect of subdued US growth or even recession over the next year or so.
The international financial architecture would be greatly strengthened by a substitution account. In the wake of the dollar crises of the early postwar period, the IMF membership adopted SDR as the centerpiece of a strategy to build an international monetary system that would no longer rely on a single currency.
The move to floating exchange rates by most major countries in the 1970s postponed the need to pursue that strategy to its conclusion but also generated the extreme currency instability that triggered official consideration of an account. The global imbalances and large currency swings in recent years, and the accelerated accumulation of official dollar holdings by countries that have essentially reverted to fixed exchange rates, replicate the conditions that led to both the creation of SDR and the negotiations on an account.
A substitution account would not solve all international monetary problems nor would it suffice to restore a stable global financial system.
The dollar needs to decline further to restore equilibrium in the US external position. China, many other Asian countries, and most oil exporters will have to accept substantial increases in their currencies now and much more flexible exchange rates for the long run. But early adoption of a substitution account would minimize the risks of adjustment of the present imbalances and the inevitable structural shift to a bipolar monetary system based on the euro as well as the dollar.
The Human Factor
1. The article says that financial models couldn't keep up with the rapid pace of technological growth and financial innovation. And apparently neither could humans, for as they continued to chase after the potential profits to be found in such innovation, they disregarded or underestimated the possible risk.
2. What the models say and what the analysts say can be very different. A model can predict one thing, but if an analyst says the probability of it is very low, investors may be more inclined to agree with the more optimistic analysts.
3. "Complexity, transparency, liquidity, and leverage" are risks and factors not easily captured in a mathematical model. And it's not like humans can be counted on to adhere to the laws of mathematics in everday life.
4. In regards to financial regulation, it should be like "fire safety rules in building codes. The chances of any building burning down are slight, but ceiling sprinklers, fire extinguishers and fire escapes are mandated by law."
What interested me was the notion that despite people's best efforts to predict risk and map out the financial market, ultimately it all comes down to how humans use the information. Models may assume humans act rationally, but as in this case, it seems like people's use of new financial instruments outpaced the calculated warnings of the model, and the way we acted was not all that rational.
Small Businesses in Economic Crisis
Small businesses are a vital part of the American economy. As this article states, they employ half of the non-government labor force, which means that if they are forced to cut jobs, that could increase unemployment drastically. They can help local communities thrive, preserve history and culture (no more circus animal cookies??), and help prevent a few major companies from completely taking over an industry.
While one can argue that in a capitalist economy, a firm that can't operate efficiently can't survive, in this case maybe small businesses should be protected. Is it worth trying to save/protect small businesses directly? If Wall Street and Detroit are being helped, should small businesses be too (which then raises the question of how far should the government go)? Or is the trickle-down effect of the bailout sufficient?
AIG's new bailout
China's New Stimulus Plan
The Race to Zero
The trend is pretty obvious. Until the summer, the main concern for most central banks had been whether they could cap inflation. Now the race is on to ease monetary policy in order prevent a prolonged economic slump. The Fed leads the way, and now other banks follow. The question is, whether this expansionary monetary policy will have an effect before interest rates actually drop to zero.
Thursday, November 6, 2008
Obama takes aim at the Greenspan era
"Overhaul of the government's financial services regulatory structure, consolidation of charter types, tougher liquidity and capital requirements, bankruptcy and credit card reform are all on the table," said William Donovan, a partner at the Venable law firm in Washington and former general counsel of the National Association of Federal Credit Unions.
Obama has proposed an economic stimulus plan that would include money for infrastructure, and he favors reforming the bankruptcy code to help homeowners and make it easier to restructure troubled mortgages.
Obama has also been supportive of infrastructure spending as a way to create jobs -- something that will no doubt take on greater urgency on Friday when the government releases its October employment figures. The report is expected to show 200,000 jobs lost in October, which would make it the weakest month of the year.
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
Markets Fall Sharply, Erasing Election Day Gains
"I think anytime you do see a rally like we’ve been having, there will always be a little bit of pullback when people wake up and see things like today’s headline number on nonmanufacturing activity, which was the lowest of all time,” Michael Feroli, an economist at JPMorgan Chase, said. “If there’s data out, there’s going to be bad news out. That will tend to keep market enthusiasm a little bit contained.”"
This article should remind us those we are still feeling much of the election euphoria, it is serious business to fix the economy and it will take more than just "hope"
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
Nobel Winner Aumann Says Bernanke, Paulson Steps `Not Smart'
"The intervention by the regulators to save the U.S. economy will lead to further bankruptcies of banks and insurance companies," said Aumann. "They are only encouraging institutions to take more uncalculated risks."
I think he is right. Some argue that after the government steps in to help "trouble" institutions, these “zombie” or “living dead” institutions will fail sooner or later, and it’s believed that they are even more inclined to take more risks because there is nothing else to lose. Your thoughts?
Monday, November 3, 2008
Russia and the unfolding global recession
One of the factors that were discussed in this article was change in the infrastructure spending.
With the large infrastructure development program already on its way, it is believed that it can help Russian business. This would further decrease the unemployment as there would be more jobs available. The government is currently considering an investment to improve social infrastructure particularly in health and education, as well as housing stock.
Furthermore, investments in gas and oil development as well as investment in transport and logistics infrastructure would help to improve the energy sector and the heavy industry especially steelmakers and construction outfits.
Overall, it is believed that these changes in the infrastructure with its massive investment would help to increase employment in addition to keeping up the consumption, generating improvements in quality of life for everyday Russians.
New Economic Plan?!
I have received this email 3 times this week...it's amazing how cool it is to even dream for a second about this! I think I would like to hear the 'real' reason why this would 'never' work.
Okay I'm in ...Finally a 'plan' that makes sense...If only this was the plan and it worked...
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 (Billion) bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 (BILLION) to America in a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18 yrs yrs and older.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a 'We Deserve It Dividend'.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
- Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved.
- Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads
- Put away money for college - it'll be there
- Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
- Buy a new car - create jobs
- Invest in the market - capital drives growth
- Pay for your parent's medical insurance - health care improves
- Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean - or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+, including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehmann Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( 'vote buy' ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult US Citizen 18+!
As for AIG - liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General.
- Sell off the real estate.
- Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and then clean it up.
Here's the rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can 'never work.'
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
Surely our fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion. We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, the plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
So my question for the blog is this: I realize this plan probably wouldn't work because of inflation, among other things, but why isn't the 60 billion dollar plan not more inflationary than this one???
Socialism, the oil way?
China: Rich Country, Poor Country
Risky Industries for jobs
How should the average graduating college student expect to cope with the struggling market? How should graduating students learn to enter the industry they wish to w/o the fear of layoffs or downsizing of companies?
Sunday, November 2, 2008
Stocks likely to recover no matter who's president
When it comes to the stock market — especially this turbulent market — does it really matter who is elected president?"
Analysts agree that no matter who is the next president neither one will be the cure for the problems that face Wall Street right now. The one thing most analysts agree on is that the only place the stock market can go is up right now. Because of the financial crisis both candidates agendas will be most likely altered to try and combat the crisis and help turn the economy back around.
There is a theory that the stock market has a four year cycle where the year after the election the stock market falls but then continues to rise until the next presidential election, but this is said to be tested by the two terms of our current president. The article points out that this theory is just like the "Super Bowl Indicator" and has no real indication of the outcome of the stock market, based on election year or any other year for that matter.
Gloom Spreads in EU's economies
Are We Finally in a Recession?
Americans unemployment aid rose to 3.7 million, the highest in almost 5 years. European consumer confidence has also declined, driving U.S unemployment even higher. The federal reserve also lowered its interest rates by 0.5% to promote business lending of credit. Even after the government gave business 700 billion dollars, they are not doing anything but holding onto the money. Keeping the interest rates low will not help his situation, banks will barely make a profit off of such low interest rates and have more incentive to hold onto the money. This is exactly the opposite of what the government intended for the bailout plan, the months ahead will be dismal for the U.S economy. Other countries around the world are experiencing the effects of the declining U.S economy, the question is now how do we turn things around. The bailout plan seems to have had little effect so far, so what is next? how are we going to increase consumer confidence and get the U.S economy back on track?
Despite Low Gas Prices Auto Sales Suffering
The fact that people are not going out and suddenly buying new cars because of lowering gas prices does not surprise me. Most realize that oil prices are bound to increase again and will be back to $4.00 a gallon in no time. Also like Pipas stated, people have bigger concerns right now and cannot afford a new car right now.
Japanese-Brazilians in Japan
Inflation in Vietnam seen through ceramics industry
Story of 2 Chinese who opposed the Cultural Revolution
Interestingly, Nie was the one who helped fuel the frenzy of the revolution by writing a poster attacking Mao's political rivals in the CCP. She was appointed the leader of Mao's Red Guards (student activists that carried out the revolution against "counter-revolutionary" elements), but she realized that the Cultural Revolution was getting out of control and finally opposed it.
"Looking back, she insists that she had no idea that the poster she made would have such terrible consequences. "I didn't know we were heading toward disaster," she said, describing herself as a party loyalist who executed orders. "Once I understood, I stopped following them. I opposed them, and for that I was punished."" She was jailed for 17 years.
Wang Rongfen wrote a letter criticizing Mao's Cultural Revolution. "The letter, which has never been published, earned her a life sentence, which was lifted after 12½ years, following Mao's death in 1976, which also spelled the end of the Cultural Revolution."
China's Land Use Policies
Currently, farmers retain the proceeds from their crop sales, but do not own the land. Under the new plan, farmers will be able to lease, swap, subcontract, and transfer land use rights. Government officials hope that this new plan will double the disposable income of over 73o million residents to more than $1,200 by 2020.
(Article from Time Magazine; November 3, 2008)
What we can learn from the Japanese
Almost 20 years ago Japan entered a protracted financial crisis, bear market and economic downturn. What lessons does that experience hold as the West struggles with a financial crisis?
The specifics of every banking crisis vary by country and by cycle, but the general forces are the same. When expanding gearing gives way to contracting debt, the stage is set for a liquidity crisis.
Three kinds of adjustment are needed before stability can return. First, asset values must discount the credit- constrained world. That is already happening with a vengeance, but take care not to assume too quickly that the process is complete.
Second, the banking sector needs to write off bad debts, consolidate (a polite way of saying shrink), and rebuild its capital base. In banking terms, completing the MUFG merger in October 2005 marked the end of the crisis.
Third, the real economy must also adjust to the new credit constraints. In Japan’s case, car sales, land prices, bank lending and the household spending index have, like share prices, returned to the levels of the early 1980s.
Saturday, November 1, 2008
Rough Seas ahead
With consumer confidence dropping fast and hard times ahead, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned the government that whatever system is set up after the government take over of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, that this system much have better safeguards to keep the system functioning in times of stress.
"The boom in subprime mortgage lending was only part of a much broader credit boom characterized by underpricing of risk, excessive leverage and the creation of complex and opaque financial instruments that proved fragile under stress," Bernanke said
With the holiday season coming in stores are bracing for lowest sales. And Economists expects Armenians to further cut spending and it looks like hard times ahead.
Friday, October 31, 2008
India May Actually Benefit in the Long Run
Although high interest rates and resulting higher costs—coupled with high oil prices, decelerating global growth, slowing export markets, depreciation of the rupee and the global financial turmoil—have taken their toll on India's economy the Indian government maintains that the Economy will continue to grow at close to 8%. The Economist Intelligence Unit, is however less optimistic and estimates a growth of close to 6.5% for the next two fiscal years. The article claims that this is not all bad news because although the country’s growth rate will slow down it will still be among the fastest growing economies of the world. Moreover, the article claims that the current global situation is making
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Parsing the Google, Yahoo, Microsoft “Global Network Initiative”
Members of the Global Network Initiative, which include both companies and well-known human rights organizations such as Human Rights in China, are quick to point out that the initiative isn’t just a set of rules for doing business in China. Unlike the tabled Global Online Freedom Act that would have made it a crime for U.S. companies to turn over personal information to governments in “Internet-restricting countries,” this voluntary initiative applies to doing business everywhere — and works more as a framework to help Internet companies do the due diligence that can help them avoid the ethical lapses for which they’ve been roundly criticized. (In front of Congress last year, Yahoo’s Chief Executive Jerry Yang apologized to the mother of journalist Shi Tao, who was jailed after a unit of the company handed information about him to Chinese authorities in 2004.)
They know that this will not fix all of the situations. However, the key idea behind this is to start thinking about the problems before they start to get worse.
Fed Cuts Rates
However, the Fed is concerned that cutting the interest rates will not boost the economy as it traditionally does. For example, Japan cut interest rates to 0%. Due to the economic crisis and people gearing towards risk adversity "zero percent interest rates failed to revive the economy earlier this decade"
Monday, October 27, 2008
Dear Mr. President
Dear Mr. President
Advice from seven Nobel laureates on fixing the economy.
By Katie Paul NEWSWEEK
Published Oct 22, 2008
Lessons from a crisis
Lessons from a crisis
Oct 2nd 2008 PARIS
From The Economist print edition
Sunday, October 26, 2008
A globalized economy
OECD- Governments should avoid the "trap" of over-regulating the market
Klaus Schmidt-Hebbel, chief economist of the OECD said that the world has been saved from another “great depression” by massive state intervention although the governments need to be wary of the “trap” of excessive regulation. Excessive regulation, he said, can do damage by inhibiting future financial innovations, market integration and growth. The economic times quotes him as saying the the world requires better regulation and not just more regulation. Schmidth-Hebbel’s interview the OECD’s keenly-awaited Economic Outlook Report which is due next month. The report will examine the impact of the financial crisis on the real economy and ask what lessons can be drawn from it. In that light then, the article raises two interesting questions:
- Should the unprecedented state intervention of the last two weeks to save banks in Europe and the US be seen as a temporary move by governments as lenders of last resort in line with the lessons of the 1930s Depression?
- Or should it be the start of a reversal of the opening up and deregulation of global markets since the 1980s?
I am interested in seeing what everyone else thinks and what your views are on the same. I personally think it is the first option over the second...may be...?
Andrew Lahde who just closed up $300 mil hedge fund and left, w/ his famous farewell letter
"What I have learned about the hedge fund business is that I hate it.
I was in this game for the money. The low-hanging fruit, the idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale and then the Harvard MBA, who were there for the taking.
These people who were (often) truly not worthy of the education they had received (or supposedly received) rose to the top of companies such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and all levels of our government. All of this behaviour supporting the aristocracy only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America.
I will no longer manage money for other people or institutions. Some people, who think they have arrived at a reasonable estimate of my net worth, might be surprised that I would call it quits with such a small war chest. That is fine; I am content with my rewards. I have enough of my own wealth to manage. I will let others try to amass nine, 10 or 11-figure net worths.
Meanwhile, their lives suck. Appointments back to back, booked solid for the next three months, they look forward to their two-week vacation in January during which they will be glued to their Blackberries or other such devices.
What is the point? They will all be forgotten in 50 years anyway. I do not understand the legacy thing. Nearly everyone will be forgotten. Give up on leaving your mark. Throw the Blackberry away and enjoy life. So this is it. With all due respect, I am dropping out. Please do not expect any type of reply to emails or voicemails within normal time frames or at all.
I have no interest in any deals in which anyone would like me to participate. I truly do not have a strong opinion about any market right now, other than to say that things will continue to get worse for some time, probably years. I am content sitting on the sidelines and waiting. After all, sitting and waiting is how we made money from the sub-prime debacle."
You can google his name and will find a lot of articles talking about him now. I have a thought, which I have been pondering for a while now.. It seems to me that the crisis time gives the rich an opportunity to get richer, while the poor will still get poorer. Isn't that sad? I'm talking about guys who have capital to buy all the assets (houses, stocks, etc) when they are at low prices and can actually hold on to it and wait until the economy gets better and the assets gain much higher values to sell them... Anyhow, I hope you'll tell us what you think about Lahde's letter.